PC800 Full LED Conversion

Over the course of the last few months I upgraded my PC800 from incandescent bulbs to 100% LED bulbs.  Every single bulb down to the bulb in the Honda Marine Voltmeter has been changed out for an LED replacement.  The full list of bulbs I purchased is available here.  Above you can see all of the bulbs in the meter panel lit up.  The bulbs I selected wash out the blue and green colors for the neutral and high beam lights but do well everywhere else.  It’s not a big deal to me but some people might want to color match LEDs to the various lens colors.

I ended up replacing the self-cancel turn signal unit on my PC800 with some relays to disable self-cancel functionality.  Eventually I want to build my own self-cancel unit either based upon an Arduino or done through circuit design.  It might take a few months but I’ll eventually get full turn signal cancel functionality back.  If you are doing an LED conversion, I would suggest bypassing your self-cancel unit so that you don’t let the magic smoke out.  I made that mistake which is why I ended up having to bypass my (dead) self-cancel unit.

I also replaced the flasher relay in my PC800.  Initially I built my own but then I found an off-the-shelf unit that I liked better.  Unless you like building your own electronics, I would suggest buying the off-the-shelf unit. It is much simpler.

I modified the off-the-shelf flasher unit with a relay (seen above) to disconnect the load leg of the relay from the rest of the bike when I am not using the turn signals.  This is to prevent leakage current/voltage from getting into the rest of the wiring harness and causing very dim but still visible lighting of the turn signal indicators even when they aren’t in use.  The load lead is hooked to the Normally Open side of the relay.  One side of the relay coil hooks to the +12 leg and the other hooks to the ground leg.  Note that the ground leg goes to +12 when the flashers are not in use thus deactivating the relay.  The diode that you can see above isn’t strictly necessary to the circuit but I decided to put it in anyway.  It goes with the white stripe toward the ground side of the circuit.  Easy!

This is a schematic drawing of the circuit that I used to disconnect the load leg of the relay.  Yes, it’s a bit primitive of a drawing but you should be able to get the idea.

I also decided to replace the position light relay while I was at it.  The two white wires go to the coil and the two blue wires go to the normally open part of the relay.  There isn’t any reason to replace this relay but I decided to do it anyway.  The Honda part number is P/N: 38601-MB3-671.  Rather than pay $35-$45 for a replacement, you can build your own for under $15.  If anyone wants ore details, I can look for the schematic I drew of this circuit and post pictures.  Just leave a comment below and I will put it up. 

I swapped in the LED bulbs throughout the bike.  They are very easy to install.

 This is a good comparison between a normal bulb and an LED bulb.

I am very happy with the results.  The LED bulbs respond almost instantaneously rather than slowly like the incandescent bulbs do.  The full conversion was a little more involved than I had anticipated but it all worked out in the end.  A few notes for those who are doing this conversion: Be sure to replace the stock flasher relay and also the self-cancel module.  Be sure to install the relay as I did on top of the automotive replacement relay.  Otherwise you will have voltage on the harness on either the Lb or O wires.  Check the IPCRC for more information on the trouble-shooting process I went through.

When I get a chance, I will take some photos of the bike’s lights during the daytime and at night so that you can see what it looks like with the new lights.

PC800 Final Drive Conversion to VT1100

A few months ago I bought a used 2004 Honda Shadow Saber VT1100 final drive from EBay.  Check out this post for more details about which VT1100 final drives will work with the PC800.  The benefit of taller gearing was enough for me to put out the money for the part.  Here you can see that I have pulled the original final drive off of the motorcycle.  Note that to remove the rear wheel I elected to remove the brake light assembly from the trunk.  As this video shows, there are also other ways to remove the rear wheel.  That video by the way is an excellent tutorial for how to do this job.  The photos here are just a few I snapped while I did this relatively straight-forward installation.

 Pulling this plastic piece is very straight forward and with minimal hassle.

Here is the old final drive just before I removed the dust guard (circle of plastic that is held on by one bolt that you can see with a blue dot on it at the far right side of the final drive unit) and the spacer collar (that tube of metal at the center of the final drive).  Those pieces along with the drive shaft need to be swapped over to the replacement final drive from the VT1100.

The question now to ask is if this swap improved the performance of my PC800.  I can’t say that I notice that much of a difference in around town driving but out on the highway I do notice a reduction of several hundred RPM at freeway speeds.  That will provide fuel savings over the long term.  For that reason, I think it is worth it to do this final drive swap.  I had wanted to take before and after RPM vs MPH readings of this swap but due to time constraints I wasn’t able to collect the data.  Hopefully another IPCRCer will do this and provide me with the results.

PC800 HID Headlight Conversion

 

Over the weekend I dropped in an HID conversion kit into my PC800.  The installation was pretty straight forward.  I bought the kit from here.  The kit’s harness needs some minor modifications (lengthen the ground and positive leads, change out the fuse holder for one that is sealed, etc) but works well.  The bulb and bulb housing drop right into a PC800’s headlight.  Yes, it is true that this is not a full HID conversion with projector housing and angel eye but it is pretty darn good for not having to modify the headlight housing.

In the photo above you can see a toggle switch complete with red LED at the end that I added to my PC800 in order to turn on and off the headlight circuit.  This is so that I don’t over-stress the HID bulb and ballast at initial bike start-up.  On my PC800, the headlight turns on as soon as the key is turned.  It turns off when the starter is engaged and turns back on once the starter is released.  Putting this switch in allows me to turn off the headlight circuit prior to turning on the key and only turn the headlight on after the bike is running.  This would also be beneficial for a situation where the charging system goes out on the bike and you need to make a few extra miles to get home.  Switch the headlight off and you extend your range.  Note that this is illegal in most places but it would be effective.

 

 

The switch and its wiring fit nicely into the plastic handlebar covers.  I do believe that I might add more switches and indicators on the handlebars considering how much extra space is available.

I spliced into the wires that go to the headlight switch.  The middle wire on the switch plug is +12v.  If you put a switch on that, you can kill the headlight when you desire such things.

This is all of the HID wiring jammed into the front of the meter panel.  There is a surprising amount of room in this space.  I zip tied the ballast to the frame just to the left behind the plastics.  There are also a few extraneous parts in this photo from my full LED conversion on the bike.

The end result is quite nice.  The headlight is much brighter and changing from low to high beam is almost instantaneous.  This kit uses a solenoid to drive the bulb forward or back into position for high or low.  I bought a yellow bulb but I might change it in the future for a more blue bulb.  My original intention was to try to maintain a stock headlight color profile but it turned out more green than I was expecting.  The blue bulbs light up the road better but as a driver I HATE seeing them approach me.  There must be a good middle point somewhere…

All in all I would recommend this upgrade.  It doesn’t cost much, is an easy installation, and provides a good benefit.  It also consumes less power than the standard incandescent bulb.   That is a win all the way around!