Handlebar Risers for the PC800

This morning I installed some handlebar risers on my PC800.  A few weeks ago I went on a crazy 1300 mile ride in 36 hours and found that my back was killing me and my hand was going numb.  Conversations on the IPCRC convinced me to buy a set of handlebar risers made by GenMar Mfg.  Several places sell the H121 kit which fits the PC among other bikes.  I chose to buy mine directly from GenMar to support their business more than I would buying from a distributor. It took about five days for them to arrive. They ship out of Arrey, New Mexico.

When getting ready to do the install, I found that Jim has a good write-up of his installation.  I used his photos as a reference for my installation of the bar risers.  Since I like taking photos of my wonderful bike, I decided to write up this how-to to compliment what Jim has already produced.

The package included two bar risers, two sets of longer bolts, and some instructions.  The instructions are the same as found on GenMar’s website. In general, I am favorably impressed with the build quality of the risers.  Trying to find a machine shop that would make those bar risers as a one-off for you or even making them yourself in your home shop would end up costing as much or more than buying them from GenMar.  Plus with GenMar risers, there is no trial and error.  They just work.

The first thing I did was put a towel over my faux gas tank.  This is to keep from nicking the plastic and to give myself somewhere to rub up against with my zippers and snaps while I’m working.  The instructions that came with the bar risers also mentioned that you could lay your handlebars on the towel.  I never had to do that but you might want to.

The first step is to pop off the center plastic.  It comes off perhaps a little too easily on my bike.  Doing this exposes some screws that need to be removed.

There are three screws underneath the center plastic cover.  Remove all three of them and save them.  They look like specialized screws that I bet are expensive to replace.

Next, remove the three bottom screws on each side of the handlebars (total of six screws).  My screwdriver was just barely short enough to fit between the dash plastic and the screws.  It would be better to have a shorter screwdriver next time.

The next step is to remove the plugs going into the switches on the top of the handlebar plastics.  It was pretty difficult to remove mine and I thought I had broken the high/low beam switch but I was able to push it all back together and it worked.  *whew!*  Take your time removing these.  And make sure to grease the connectors before you put them back together.

With the top handlebar plastic is removed, I marked the location of the handlebars and the top handlebar clamps.  This will be important later to make sure the angle of the bars is set correctly when you reassemble.  I assumed that the last person to remove the handlebars had put them back the way they had been at the factory.  Looking at the plastics, it appears that in fact the bars were rotated correctly.

With the bars marked, I then unbolted the four big allen head bolts.  I pulled off the handlebar top clamps after some futzing to get them to break free.  I made sure to mark which clamp went on which side of the handlebars and in which orientation.  I figure it’s best to put it back to the way the factory had installed it rather than in some other random orientation.

It took a little effort to get the four bolts lined up with the four holes and the bar risers.  I had to remove the two zip ties from each side of the wiring running up the handlebars.  Rather than cutting them off, I was able to release the zip tie locks and was thus able to reuse them when I buttoned everything back up.  Bolting down the handlebars, I made sure that everything was lined up correctly.  This means that the bars are centered and at the correct rotation.  It took me about five minutes of work to get them the way they are supposed to be.  Also I had to be very careful to not cross-thread the bolts as I put them into the bottom clamps.  Be careful not to screw that step up.  Otherwise, it’ll get expensive!

The next step was to make sure that none of the cables were binding and nothing was hitting anywhere with the bars pushed to both extreme ends of their travel.  It all looked good for me.

Checking the fit in the other direction.

The only real downside I’ve found with this upgrade is that the key switch doesn’t move with the handlebars.  It now is one inch down in a hole.  This is going to make locking the bars a bit harder but not impossible.  I can remove the center cover of plastic in 5 seconds to lock the bars.  Eventually I plan to weld on an extender tab on my keys.  That way it won’t matter so much about the key lock being an inch down in the hole.

The next step was to reinstall the zip ties that I had carefully removed earlier.  I made sure to reinstall them not too tight so nothing would be cut through.  The throttle cables on the right side did not go in the zip tie.

Here you can see how far down the key is sunk into the handlebar plastic.  Not the end of the world but it is a bit annoying.  As I said earlier, I’m planning to weld something onto the end of the key so it’s easier to turn.

When you’re all done with the install, you will have the four original handlebar clamp bolts left over.  Keep these things around.  Maybe a future owner or maybe even you might decide to go back to the original bar height.  It will save a lot of money and time if you still have these things around.

Weekend ride with Carl

Carl and I went on a nice little weekend ride around Northwest Oregon over the weekend.  On Saturday we stopped in Newberg to wish Anne safe travels and take her on a short ride before she heads to Ukraine for two years.  We stayed the night at Rick’s house to attend one of his fabulous parties.  This morning we stopped in Sherwood to pick up Eileen and bring her back to Corvallis.

Carl at a rest stop in the mountains outside of Willamina.
My big white bike is prettier 🙂
This proves that I actually was there!
In Newberg
Eileen getting dressed

Total distance: about 350 miles.

Gas stop 1: 86.2 miles (including 20 undocumented miles from Friday when I was testing the bike).  1.96 gallons.  43.98 mpg.

Gas stop 2: 101.3 miles. 1.948 gallons.  52.00 mpg.

Gas stop 3: 110.7 miles. 2.180 gallons. 50.78 mpg.

Our Route Map

Replacing the fork seals on a PC800

NEWER NOTE: A member of the IPCRC re-wrote Fred’s instructions and consolidated them into one place.  They are here for your reading pleasure.

NOTE: Of particular interest to people who are rebuilding their forks are the following posts/threads by Fred on IPCRC.  Thread #1 Thread #2 Thread #3 Thread #4.  The biggest things are 1) don’t be afraid and 2) go slow and take it slow.  Also feel free to ask questions here or, better yet, on the IPCRC.

About a month ago my PC800 started bleeding fork oil down the right side of the bike.  A quick inspection pointed to a blown fork seal on the right fork.  This was a surprise as the previous owner who is a friend of mine had only replaced the seals 5000 miles previous.  Off I dutifully went to the internet to buy some Honda OEM seals and dust boots.  They arrived and I got down to the business of taking apart the forks.

Fork oil bleeding all over the wheel cover. The road grit and grime really sticks to it.

Lots of grit and grime around the top of the fork travel.

To remove the forks I only had to take off the wheel plastics, wheel, and the two small covers by the handlebars.  The fairing stayed on.  Some people on IPCRC do it this way and are satisfied.  Others believe that the fairing should come off so a proper tightening job can be done upon re-installation.

I tried to find a good set of fork gaiters to put on when I reassembled the forks.  However the pair I bought off the internet were woefully undersized.  Check this thread on IPCRC for more information.  Other people on IPCRC have had luck with finding good gaiters but I didn’t.

Once the parts arrived I started disassembling my forks.  My living room quickly turned into something from the Dexter TV series.  Instead of murdering people, I was disemboweling my forks.

When I took apart my forks I discovered an odd set of springs inside.  No one on the IPCRC was able to identify them.  Some suggested I replace them with Progressive springs.  I chose not to because they had been in the bike at least since the previous owner had done the fork seals 5000 miles before.  He found them in there and put them back, too.  This is the third set of forks on a Honda in my general area that I’ve seen with this fork configuration.  Each bike was different so I know it’s not some localized dealer thing for one particular model.  Probably at some point in the 90’s someone was selling a spring kit locally.  The way the two springs are setup, it makes a defacto set of Progressive springs.  However, they aren’t quite as nice as real progressives.  Oh well.  They work well enough and I didn’t have to spend a bunch of money and wait for new springs to come.

During the installation process I did something REALLY stupid.  I put the fork bushing in before I put the slider rod in.  This trapped the busing in the fork.  Much running around town to all of the auto parts stores and the Honda motorcycle dealer came to nothing.  I scratched up the bushing pretty bad trying to get it out with a pick.  Right away I ordered a new set of bushings.  Of course it took two weeks to get to me so during that time I tried several other methods of extraction.  The only thing that I could get to work (and I tried a LOT of different approaches) was a braising torch.  I heated up the aluminum fork housing around the bushing until a little gentle taping on the ground got the bushing to fall right out.  I was VERY careful with the way I heated up the aluminum to make sure I didn’t weaken anything by heat treating it or in some other way changing the material properties.

Another problem I ran into was with the rebound springs.  For some reason they were really stuck in the bottom of the fork housing.  I couldn’t see them in there and was pretty worried that I had a fork without any.  Finally after much hand wringing I discovered them by accident.  I don’t know how the IPCRC puts up with my stupidity sometimes 🙂

Once I had the new bushings, everything popped back together easily.  I chose to use 15 weight fork oil since I’m a big guy.  It made the bike handle much more like a sport bike but it also has made the ride somewhat rougher.  With a passenger or carrying camping gear the bike goes back to super plush and feeling like a tourer.  Next time I might bump down to a 10 weight fork oil although I really do enjoy the cornering performance with this 15 weight.  YMMV due to my wonky spring combination.

It was a little difficult getting the top caps put back on but they finally went into place.  Reinstalling was a bit of a challenge but I’m pretty confident that I have the bolts holding the forks to the motorcycle well-tightened.  2000 miles later and they show absolutely NO sign of sliding up the triple T.  The new seals seem to be holding well so far.  Fingers crossed that I don’t have another one blow out.  The fork tubes have some pits in them though (nothing you can really do about it once they’re there but fork gaiters will protect against new ones) so I think this might become a routine 10-20k mile sort of project.

As I was reassembling the front wheel I found that my wheel was sticking and not turning very easily.  I ended up having to reassemble everything to get the wheel to spin correctly again.  On my wheel anyway it doesn’t spin completely freely when the speedometer cable is attached.  Perhaps I should lube mine soon…