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PC800 Final Drive Conversion to VT1100

A few months ago I bought a used 2004 Honda Shadow Saber VT1100 final drive from EBay.  Check out this post for more details about which VT1100 final drives will work with the PC800.  The benefit of taller gearing was enough for me to put out the money for the part.  Here you can see that I have pulled the original final drive off of the motorcycle.  Note that to remove the rear wheel I elected to remove the brake light assembly from the trunk.  As this video shows, there are also other ways to remove the rear wheel.  That video by the way is an excellent tutorial for how to do this job.  The photos here are just a few I snapped while I did this relatively straight-forward installation.

 Pulling this plastic piece is very straight forward and with minimal hassle.

Here is the old final drive just before I removed the dust guard (circle of plastic that is held on by one bolt that you can see with a blue dot on it at the far right side of the final drive unit) and the spacer collar (that tube of metal at the center of the final drive).  Those pieces along with the drive shaft need to be swapped over to the replacement final drive from the VT1100.

The question now to ask is if this swap improved the performance of my PC800.  I can’t say that I notice that much of a difference in around town driving but out on the highway I do notice a reduction of several hundred RPM at freeway speeds.  That will provide fuel savings over the long term.  For that reason, I think it is worth it to do this final drive swap.  I had wanted to take before and after RPM vs MPH readings of this swap but due to time constraints I wasn’t able to collect the data.  Hopefully another IPCRCer will do this and provide me with the results.

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Final Drive Options for the Honda PC800 Pacific Coast

For some time I have been interested in replacing the final drive on my Honda Pacific Coast with the final drive off of a VT1100. Several people on the IPCRC have reported success doing this job. I had seen several different years and models of VT1100 final drive used and was confused over which ones would actually work. Thus I embarked upon looking at the microfiche available for all years and models of the VT1100 and PC800 to see the differences.  After the below research I finally purchased a VT1100 final drive unit and installed it on my PC800.  The results are very pleasing.

Bike Model Bike Year Final Drive Part Number Notes  Additional Notes
VT1100C 1985 41300-MG8-000 3-bolt pattern Discontinued, no replacement offered
VT1100C 1986 41300-MG8-000 3-bolt pattern Discontinued, no replacement offered
VT1100C 1987 41300-MM8-000 4-bolt pattern Discontinued, no replacement offered
VT1100C 1988 41300-MM8-000 4-bolt pattern Discontinued, no replacement offered
VT1100C 1989 41300-MM8-000 4-bolt pattern Discontinued, no replacement offered
VT1100C 1990 41300-MM8-000 4-bolt pattern Discontinued, no replacement offered
VT1100C 1991 NO MODEL THIS YEAR
VT1100C 1992 41300-MM8-882 4 bolt pattern Note in microfiche that this replaces 41300-MM8-880
VT1100C 1993 41300-MM8-882 4 bolt pattern Note in microfiche that this replaces 41300-MM8-880
VT1100C 1994 41300-MM8-882 4 bolt pattern Note in microfiche that this replaces 41300-MM8-880
VT1100C 1995 41300-MM8-882 4 bolt pattern Note in microfiche that this replaces 41300-MM8-880
VT1100C 1996 41300-MM8-882 4 bolt pattern Note in microfiche that this replaces 41300-MM8-880
VT1100C 1997 41300-MM8-882 4 bolt pattern Note in microfiche that this replaces 41300-MM8-880
VT1100C 1998 41300-MM8-882 4 bolt pattern Note in microfiche that this replaces 41300-MM8-880
VT1100C 1999 41300-MM8-882 4 bolt pattern Note in microfiche that this replaces 41300-MM8-880
VT1100C 2000 41300-MM8-882 4 bolt pattern Note in microfiche that this replaces 41300-MM8-880
VT1100C 2001 41300-MM8-882 4 bolt pattern Note in microfiche that this replaces 41300-MM8-880
VT1100C 2002 41300-MM8-882 4 bolt pattern Note in microfiche that this replaces 41300-MM8-880
VT1100C 2003 41300-MM8-882 4 bolt pattern Note in microfiche that this replaces 41300-MM8-880
VT1100C 2004 41300-MM8-882 4 bolt pattern Note in microfiche that this replaces 41300-MM8-880
VT1100C 2005 41300-MM8-882 4 bolt pattern Note in microfiche that this replaces 41300-MM8-881
VT1100C 2006 41300-MM8-882 4 bolt pattern Note in microfiche that this replaces 41300-MM8-881
VT1100C 2007 41300-MM8-882 4 bolt pattern First year that this part number is the original specified part
VT1100C2 1995 41300-MAH-010 4-bolt pattern Note in microfiche that this replaces 41300-MAH-000
VT1100C2 1996 41300-MAH-010 4-bolt pattern Note in microfiche that this replaces 41300-MAH-000
VT1100C2 1997 41300-MAH-010 4-bolt pattern Note in microfiche that this replaces 41300-MAH-000
VT1100C2 1998 41300-MAH-010 4-bolt pattern Note in microfiche that this replaces 41300-MAH-000
VT1100C2 1999 41300-MAH-010 4-bolt pattern Note in microfiche that this replaces 41300-MAH-000
VT1100C2 2000 41300-MAH-010 4-bolt pattern Note in microfiche that this replaces 41300-MAH-000
VT1100C2 2001 41300-MAH-010 4-bolt pattern Note in microfiche that this replaces 41300-MAH-000
VT1100C2 2002 41300-MAH-010 4-bolt pattern Note in microfiche that this replaces 41300-MAH-000
VT1100C2 2003 41300-MAH-010 4-bolt pattern Note in microfiche that this replaces 41300-MAH-000
VT1100C2 2004 41300-MAH-010 4-bolt pattern Note in microfiche that this replaces 41300-MAH-000
VT1100C2 2005 41300-MEG-020 4-bolt pattern Note in microfiche that this replaces 41300-MEG-010
VT1100C2 2006 41300-MEG-020 4-bolt pattern Note in microfiche that this replaces 41300-MEG-010
VT1100C2 2007 41300-MEG-020 4-bolt pattern First year that this part number is the original specified part
VT1100C2-2 1997 41300-MAH-010 4-bolt pattern Note in microfiche that this replaces 41300-MAH-000
VT1100C2-2 1998 41300-MAH-010 4-bolt pattern Note in microfiche that this replaces 41300-MAH-000
VT1100C3 1998 41300-MAH-010 4-bolt pattern Note in microfiche that this replaces 41300-MAH-000
VT1100C3 1999 41300-MAH-010 4-bolt pattern Note in microfiche that this replaces 41300-MAH-000
VT1100C3 2000 41300-MAH-010 4-bolt pattern Note in microfiche that this replaces 41300-MAH-000
VT1100C3 2001 41300-MAH-010 4-bolt pattern Note in microfiche that this replaces 41300-MAH-000
VT1100C3 2002 41300-MAH-010 4-bolt pattern Note in microfiche that this replaces 41300-MAH-000
VT1100D2 1999 41300-MAH-010 4-bolt pattern Note in microfiche that this replaces 41300-MAH-000
VT1100T 1998 41300-MAH-010 4-bolt pattern Note in microfiche that this replaces 41300-MAH-000
VT1100T 1999 41300-MAH-010 4-bolt pattern Note in microfiche that this replaces 41300-MAH-000
VT1100T 2000 41300-MAH-010 4-bolt pattern Note in microfiche that this replaces 41300-MAH-000
VT1100T 2001 41300-MAH-010 4-bolt pattern Note in microfiche that this replaces 41300-MAH-000
PC800 1989 41300-MR5-000 4-bolt pattern Discontinued
PC800 1990 41300-MR5-000 4-bolt pattern Discontinued
PC800 1991 NO MODEL THIS YEAR
PC800 1992 NO MODEL THIS YEAR
PC800 1993 NO MODEL THIS YEAR
PC800 1994 41300-MR5-000 4-bolt pattern Discontinued
PC800 1995 41300-MR5-000 4-bolt pattern Discontinued
PC800 1996 41300-MR5-000 4-bolt pattern Discontinued
PC800 1997 41300-MR5-000 4-bolt pattern Discontinued
PC800 1998 41300-MR5-000 4-bolt pattern Discontinued

This first table shows all of the model years and all of the final drive configurations for the VT1100C, VT1100C2, VT1100C2-2, VT1100C3, VT1100D2, VT1100T, and PC800.  The bolt pattern is an important note.  The PC800 uses a 4-bolt pattern.  Only the first two years of production of the VT1100C (1985-1986) used a three bolt pattern.  Stay away from these.  The rest all have the same bolt configuration as the Pacific Coast.

Unique Final Drives Bolt Pattern Used on Models
41300-MG8-000 3-bolt pattern VT1100C 1985-1986
41300-MM8-000 4-bolt pattern VT1100C 1987-1990
41300-MM8-882 4-bolt pattern VT1100C 1992-2007
41300-MAH-010 4-bolt pattern VT1100C2 1995-2004, VT1100C3 all years, VT1100D2 all years, VT1100T all years
41300-MEG-020 4-bolt pattern VT1100C2 2005-2007
41300-MR5-000 4-bolt pattern PC800

This table shows the six final drives that were used across all models of VT1100 and PC800.  Note that the first one, with the red highlight, is not usable on any of the other models because of its three bolt pattern.  Now that we know which final drives were used, we can investigate those specifically to see what the differences were in critical components.  We will also limit our further analysis to only the five models of final drive with the four bolt pattern.

41300-MR5-000 — PC800   41300-MEG-020 — VT1100C2 2005-2007   41300-MAH-010 — VT1100C2 1995-2004, VT1100C3 all years, VT1100D2 all years, VT1100T all years   41300-MM8-882 — VT1100C 1992-2007   41300-MM8-000 –VT1100C 1987-1990
QUANTITY PART   QUANTITY PART   QUANTITY PART   QUANTITY PART   QUANTITY PART
12361-300-000 (replaces 12361-035-000) CAP, VALVE ADJ. 12361-300-000 (replaces 12361-035-000) CAP, VALVE ADJ. 12361-300-000 (replaces 12361-035-000) CAP, VALVE ADJ. 12361-300-000 (replaces 12361-035-000) CAP, VALVE ADJ. 12361-300-000 (replaces 12361-035-000) CAP, VALVE ADJ.
12361-300-000 CAP, VALVE ADJ. 12361-300-000 CAP, VALVE ADJ. 12361-300-000 CAP, VALVE ADJ. 12361-300-000 CAP, VALVE ADJ. 12361-300-000 CAP, VALVE ADJ.
12361-300-000 (replaces 12361-371-980) CAP, VALVE ADJ. 12361-300-000 (replaces 12361-371-980) CAP, VALVE ADJ. 12361-300-000 (replaces 12361-371-980) CAP, VALVE ADJ. 12361-300-000 (replaces 12361-371-980) CAP, VALVE ADJ. 12361-300-000 (replaces 12361-371-980) CAP, VALVE ADJ.
41300-MR5-000 GEAR ASSY., FINAL 41300-MEG-020 (replaces 41300-MEG-010) GEAR, FINAL DRIVEN 41300-MAH-010 (replaces 41300-MAH-000) GEAR ASSY,FINAL 41300-MM8-882 GEAR ASSY., FINAL 41300-MM8-000 GEAR ASSY., FINAL
41305-MB4-770 RING, STOPPER 41305-MB4-770 RING, STOPPER 41305-MB4-770 RING, STOPPER 41305-MB4-770 RING, STOPPER
41306-MB0-020 (replaces 41306-MB0-010) CAP, BREATHER 41306-MB0-020 CAP, BREATHER 41306-MB0-020 (replaces 41306-MB0-010) CAP, BREATHER 41306-MB0-020 CAP, BREATHER 41306-MB0-020 (replaces 41306-MB0-010) CAP, BREATHER
41310-MB0-305 GEAR SET, FINAL 41310-MM8-305 GEAR SET, FINAL 41310-MM8-305 GEAR SET, FINAL 41310-MM8-305 GEAR SET, FINAL 41310-MM8-305 GEAR SET, FINAL
41311-MR5-305 CASE SET, FINAL 41311-MEG-010 CASE SET, FINAL 41311-MM8-305 CASE SET, FINAL 41311-MEG-010 CASE SET, FINAL 41311-MM8-305 CASE SET, FINAL
41321-ME5-770 COVER, GEAR CASE 41321-ME5-770 COVER, GEAR CASE 41321-ME5-770 COVER, GEAR CASE 41321-ME5-771 COVER, GEAR CASE 41321-ME5-770 COVER, GEAR CASE
41324-MR5-000 PLATE, DUST GUARD 41324-MAH-000 PLATE, DUST GUARD 41324-MAH-000 PLATE, DUST GUARD 41324-MB0-010 PLATE, DUST GUARD 41324-MB0-010 PLATE, DUST GUARD
41331-ME9-010 RETAINER, BEARING 41331-ME9-010 RETAINER, BEARING 41331-ME9-010 RETAINER, BEARING 41331-ME9-010 RETAINER, BEARING 41331-ME9-010 RETAINER, BEARING
41332-415-000 LOCK A 41332-415-000 LOCK A 41332-415-000 LOCK A 41332-415-000 LOCK A 41332-415-000 LOCK A
41333-415-000 LOCK B 41333-415-000 LOCK B 41333-415-000 LOCK B 41333-415-000 LOCK B 41333-415-000 LOCK B
41410-ME9-770 JOINT, PINION 41410-ME9-770 JOINT, PINION 41410-ME9-770 JOINT, PINION 41410-ME9-770 JOINT, PINION 41410-ME9-770 JOINT, PINION
41433-MB0-010 HOLDER, O-RING 41433-MB0-010 HOLDER, O-RING 41433-MB0-010 HOLDER, O-RING 41433-MB0-010 HOLDER, O-RING 41433-MB0-010 HOLDER, O-RING
41436-MB0-310 PIN 41436-MB0-310 PIN 41436-MB0-310 PIN 41436-MB0-310 PIN 41436-MB0-310 PIN
41437-MB0-310 SHIM A (0.10) 41437-MB0-310 SHIM A (0.10) 41437-MB0-310 SHIM A (0.10) 41437-MB0-310 SHIM A (0.10) 41437-MB0-310 SHIM A (0.10)
41438-MB0-310 SHIM B (0.15) 41438-MB0-310 SHIM B (0.15) 41438-MB0-310 SHIM B (0.15) 41438-MB0-310 SHIM B (0.15) 41438-MB0-310 SHIM B (0.15)
41450-MG8-000 SHIM A (1.82) 41450-MG8-000 SHIM A (1.82) 41450-MG8-000 SHIM A (1.82) 41450-MG8-000 SHIM A (1.82) 41450-MG8-000 SHIM A (1.82)
41451-MG8-000 SHIM B (1.88) 41451-MG8-000 SHIM B (1.88) 41451-MG8-000 SHIM B (1.88) 41451-MG8-000 SHIM B (1.88) 41451-MG8-000 SHIM B (1.88)
41452-MG8-000 SHIM C (1.94) 41452-MG8-000 SHIM C (1.94) 41452-MG8-000 SHIM C (1.94) 41452-MG8-000 SHIM C (1.94) 41452-MG8-000 SHIM C (1.94)
41453-MG8-000 SHIM D (2.00) 41453-MG8-000 SHIM D (2.00) 41453-MG8-000 SHIM D (2.00) 41453-MG8-000 SHIM D (2.00) 41453-MG8-000 SHIM D (2.00)
41454-MG8-000 SHIM E (2.06) 41454-MG8-000 SHIM E (2.06) 41454-MG8-000 SHIM E (2.06) 41454-MG8-000 SHIM E (2.06) 41454-MG8-000 SHIM E (2.06)
41455-MG8-000 SHIM F (2.12) 41455-MG8-000 SHIM F (2.12) 41455-MG8-000 SHIM F (2.12) 41455-MG8-000 SHIM F (2.12) 41455-MG8-000 SHIM F (2.12)
41456-MG8-000 SHIM G (2.18) 41456-MG8-000 SHIM G (2.18) 41456-MG8-000 SHIM G (2.18) 41456-MG8-000 SHIM G (2.18) 41456-MG8-000 SHIM G (2.18)
41510-MB0-003 WASHER (35X40) 41510-MB0-003 WASHER (35X40) 41510-MB0-003 WASHER (35X40) 41510-MB0-003 WASHER (35X40) 41510-MB0-003 WASHER (35X40)
41530-MB0-000 SPACER A (1.82) 41530-MB0-000 SPACER A (1.82) 41530-MB0-000 SPACER A (1.82) 41530-MB0-000 SPACER A (1.82) 41530-MB0-000 SPACER A (1.82)
41531-MB0-000 SPACER B (1.88) 41531-MB0-000 SPACER B (1.88) 41531-MB0-000 SPACER B (1.88) 41531-MB0-000 SPACER B (1.88) 41531-MB0-000 SPACER B (1.88)
41532-MB0-000 SPACER C (1.94) 41532-MB0-000 SPACER C (1.94) 41532-MB0-000 SPACER C (1.94) 41532-MB0-000 SPACER C (1.94) 41532-MB0-000 SPACER C (1.94)
41533-MB0-000 SPACER D (2.00) 41533-MB0-000 SPACER D (2.00) 41533-MB0-000 SPACER D (2.00) 41533-MB0-000 SPACER D (2.00) 41533-MB0-000 SPACER D (2.00)
41534-MB0-000 SPACER E (2.06) 41534-MB0-000 SPACER E (2.06) 41534-MB0-000 SPACER E (2.06) 41534-MB0-000 SPACER E (2.06) 41534-MB0-000 SPACER E (2.06)
41535-MB0-000 SPACER F (2.12) 41535-MB0-000 SPACER F (2.12) 41535-MB0-000 SPACER F (2.12) 41535-MB0-000 SPACER F (2.12) 41535-MB0-000 SPACER F (2.12)
41536-MB0-000 SPACER G (2.18) 41536-MB0-000 SPACER G (2.18) 41536-MB0-000 SPACER G (2.18) 41536-MB0-000 SPACER G (2.18) 41536-MB0-000 SPACER G (2.18)
41537-MB0-000 SPACER H (2.24) 41537-MB0-000 SPACER H (2.24) 41537-MB0-000 SPACER H (2.24) 41537-MB0-000 SPACER H (2.24) 41537-MB0-000 SPACER H (2.24)
41538-MB0-000 SPACER I (2.30) 41538-MB0-000 SPACER I (2.30) 41538-MB0-000 SPACER I (2.30) 41538-MB0-000 SPACER I (2.30) 41538-MB0-000 SPACER I (2.30)
42625-MR5-000 COLLAR B, RR. 42625-MAH-000 COLLAR B, RR. 42625-MAH-000 COLLAR B, RR. 42625-MAH-000 COLLAR B, RR. 42625-MAH-000 COLLAR B, RR.
42625-MAH-000 (replaces 42625-MB4-000) COLLAR B, RR.
90109-ME5-770 BOLT, SOCKET (8X11) 90109-ME5-770 BOLT, SOCKET (8X11) 90109-ME5-770 BOLT, SOCKET (8X11) 90109-ME5-770 BOLT, SOCKET (8X11) 90109-ME5-770 BOLT, SOCKET (8X11)
90133-MB0-000 BOLT, FLANGE (8X27) 90133-MB0-000 BOLT, FLANGE (8X27) 90133-MB0-000 BOLT, FLANGE (8X27) 90133-MB0-000 BOLT, FLANGE (8X27) 90133-MB0-000 BOLT, FLANGE (8X27)
90134-HA0-000 BOLT, FLANGE (10X35) 90134-HA0-000 BOLT, FLANGE (10X35) 90134-HA0-000 BOLT, FLANGE (10X35) 90134-HA0-000 BOLT, FLANGE (10X35) 90134-371-000 BOLT, FLANGE (10X38)
90170-MB0-000 BOLT, HEX. (6X16) 90170-MB0-000 BOLT, HEX. (6X16) 90170-MB0-000 BOLT, HEX. (6X16) 90170-MB0-000 BOLT, HEX. (6X16) 90170-MB0-000 BOLT, HEX. (6X16)
90305-MB4-003 NUT, U (18MM) 90305-MB4-003 NUT, U (18MM) 90305-MB4-003 NUT, U (18MM) 90305-MB4-003 NUT, U (18MM) 90305-MB4-003 NUT, U (18MM)
90381-MB0-010 NUT, HEX. (16MM) 90381-MT3-000 NUT, HEX. 90381-MT3-000 NUT, HEX. 90381-MT3-000 NUT, HEX. 90381-MB0-010 NUT, HEX. (16MM)
90471-580-000 GASKET (8MM) 90471-580-000 GASKET (8MM) 90471-580-000 GASKET (8MM) 90471-580-000 GASKET (8MM) 90471-580-000 GASKET (8MM)
91051-MB0-005 BEARING (16012C3) 91051-MB0-005 BEARING (16012C3) 91051-MB0-005 BEARING (16012C3) 91051-MB0-005 BEARING (16012C3) 91051-MB0-005 BEARING (16012C3)
91051-MB0-005 (replaces 91051-MG8-005) BEARING (16012C3) 91051-MB0-005 (replaces 91051-MG8-005) BEARING (16012C3) 91051-MB0-005 (replaces 91051-MG8-005) BEARING (16012C3) 91051-MB0-005 (replaces 91051-MG8-005) BEARING (16012C3) 91051-MB0-005 (replaces 91051-MG8-005) BEARING (16012C3)
91052-MB0-003 BEARING (57/34C3) 91052-MB0-003 BEARING (57/34C3) 91052-MB0-003 BEARING (57/34C3) 91052-MB0-003 BEARING (57/34C3) 91052-MB0-003 BEARING (57/34C3)
91052-MB0-003 (replaces 91052-MG8-005) BEARING (57/34C3) 91052-MB0-003 (replaces 91052-MG8-005) BEARING (57/34C3) 91052-MB0-003 (replaces 91052-MG8-005) BEARING (57/34C3) 91052-MB0-003 (replaces 91052-MG8-005) BEARING (57/34C3) 91052-MB0-003 (replaces 91052-MG8-005) BEARING (57/34C3)
91061-MB0-005 BEARING (6305) 91061-MB0-005 BEARING (6305) 91061-MB0-005 BEARING (6305) 91061-MB0-005 BEARING (6305) 91061-MB0-005 BEARING (6305)
91061-MB0-005 (replaces 91061-MG8-005) BEARING (6305) 91061-MB0-005 (replaces 91061-MG8-005) BEARING (6305) 91061-MB0-005 (replaces 91061-MG8-005) BEARING (6305) 91061-MB0-005 (replaces 91061-MG8-005) BEARING (6305) 91061-MB0-005 (replaces 91061-MG8-005) BEARING (6305)
91061-MB0-005 (replaces 91061-MR5-003) BEARING (6305)
91062-MG8-005 (replaces 91062-MB4-773) BEARING (19/18) 91062-MG8-005 (replaces 91062-MB4-773) BEARING (19/18) 91062-MG8-005 (replaces 91062-MB4-773) BEARING (19/18) 91062-MG8-005 (replaces 91062-MB4-773) BEARING (19/18)
91062-MG8-005 BEARING (19/18) 91062-MG8-005 BEARING (19/18) 91062-MG8-005 BEARING (19/18) 91062-MG8-005 BEARING (19/18)
91261-MB0-003 OIL SEAL (34X50X7) 91261-MB0-003 OIL SEAL (34X50X7) 91261-MB0-003 OIL SEAL (34X50X7) 91261-MB0-003 OIL SEAL (34X50X7) 91261-MB0-003 OIL SEAL (34X50X7)
91261-MB0-003 (replaces 91261-MB0-005) OIL SEAL (34X50X7) 91261-MB0-003 (replaces 91261-MB0-005) OIL SEAL (34X50X7) 91261-MB0-003 (replaces 91261-MB0-005) OIL SEAL (34X50X7) 91261-MB0-003 (replaces 91261-MB0-005) OIL SEAL (34X50X7) 91261-MB0-003 (replaces 91261-MB0-005) OIL SEAL (34X50X7)
91262-ME9-005 (replaces 91262-ME9-003) OIL SEAL (39X51X7) 91262-ME9-005 (replaces 91262-ME9-003) OIL SEAL (39X51X7) 91262-ME9-005 (replaces 91262-ME9-003) OIL SEAL (39X51X7) 91262-ME9-005 (replaces 91262-ME9-003) OIL SEAL (39X51X7) 91262-ME9-005 (replaces 91262-ME9-003) OIL SEAL (39X51X7)
91262-ME9-005 OIL SEAL (39X51X7) 91262-ME9-005 OIL SEAL (39X51X7) 91262-ME9-005 OIL SEAL (39X51X7) 91262-ME9-005 OIL SEAL (39X51X7) 91262-ME9-005 OIL SEAL (39X51X7)
91265-MB0-003 (replaces 91265-MB0-000) OIL SEAL (60X80X8) 91265-MB0-003 (replaces 91265-MB0-000) OIL SEAL (60X80X8) 91265-MB0-003 OIL SEAL (60X80X8) 91265-MB0-003 OIL SEAL (60X80X8) 91265-MB0-003 (replaces 91265-MB0-000) OIL SEAL (60X80X8)
91265-MB0-003 OIL SEAL (60X80X8) 91265-MB0-003 OIL SEAL (60X80X8) 91265-MB0-003 OIL SEAL (60X80X8)
91302-001-020 O-RING (30.8MM) 91302-001-020 O-RING (30.8MM) 91302-001-020 O-RING (30.8MM) 91302-001-020 O-RING (30.8MM) 91302-001-020 O-RING (30.8MM)
91356-MB0-005 (replaces 91356-MB0-000) O-RING (35.2X2.4) 91356-MB0-005 (replaces 91356-MB0-000) O-RING (35.2X2.4) 91356-MB0-005 O-RING (35.2X2.4) 91356-MB0-005 O-RING (35.2X2.4) 91356-MB0-005 (replaces 91356-MB0-000) O-RING (35.2X2.4)
91356-MB0-005 O-RING (35.2X2.4) 91356-MB0-005 O-RING (35.2X2.4) 91356-MB0-005 O-RING (35.2X2.4)
91359-MB0-000 O-RING (58.5X3.5) 91359-MB0-000 O-RING (58.5X3.5) 91359-MB0-000 O-RING (58.5X3.5) 91359-MB0-000 O-RING (58.5X3.5) 91359-MB0-000 O-RING (58.5X3.5)
92101-06012-0A (replaces 92000-06012) BOLT, HEX. (6X12) 92101-06012-0A BOLT, HEX. (6X12) 92101-06012-0A BOLT, HEX. (6X12) 92101-06012-0A BOLT, HEX. (6X12) 92101-06012-0A (replaces 92000-06012) BOLT, HEX. (6X12)
92101-06012-0A (replaces 92000-06012-0A) BOLT, HEX. (6X12) 92101-06012-0A (replaces 92000-06012-0A) BOLT, HEX. (6X12)
92101-06012-0A (replaces 92100-06012) BOLT, HEX. (6X12) 92101-06012-0A (replaces 92100-06012) BOLT, HEX. (6X12)
92101-06012-0A (replaces 92101-06012) BOLT, HEX. (6X12) 92101-06012-0A (replaces 92101-06012) BOLT, HEX. (6X12)
92101-06012-0A BOLT, HEX. (6X12) 92101-06012-0A BOLT, HEX. (6X12)
92700-10050-0E BOLT, STUD (10X50) 92900-10032-0E BOLT, STUD (10X32) 92900-10032-0E BOLT, STUD (10X32) 92900-10032-0E BOLT, STUD (10X32) 92700-10050-0E BOLT, STUD (10X50)
94101-06800 WASHER, PLAIN (6MM) 94101-06800 WASHER, PLAIN (6MM) 94101-06800 WASHER, PLAIN (6MM) 94101-06800 WASHER, PLAIN (6MM) 94101-06800 WASHER, PLAIN (6MM)
06910-MBL-610 BEARING SET, NEEDLE
41320-MBL-610 CVR SUB, FINAL GEAR

So what does this table tell us?  Out of the five final drive assemblies analyzed above, the four assemblies from the VT1100 series of motorcycles with the four bolt pattern (all but the first two years of VT1100C production) have identical gear ratios.  The PC800 has a different gear ratio from these four.  From what people have reported on the IPCRC, this means that any of the four VT1100 final drive candidates will give the same performance gains in dropping RPM at high speeds and creating “taller” gearing.  The change in gear ratio is reported to be from 3.400 (10/34T) to 3.090 (11/34T).

Another insight is that there are two different case cover styles that were used.  The VT1100C2 from 2005 to 2007 and the VT1100C from 1992 to 2007 used the same case while the other two used a different case.  The PC800 used yet a different case.  This is okay, however, because of the widespread success of people attaching VT1100 final drives of various types to their PC800s without major problems.  More on this in a table further down.

An important insight gained from the above table is that the pinion joint is identical across all four VT1100 models and the PC800.  This means that the shaft drive will attach to any of the different final drives without problem.

The dust guard is another interesting item that differs between models.  Two of the VT1100 models use one type while the other two use a different and the PC800 uses a third different model.  I suspect that the dust guard belonging to the PC800’s final drive would need to remain if you were to swap your final drive for a VT1100 model.

The gear case cover appears on the microfiche to be the part that actually transfers power from the final drive to the wheel.  The PC800 shares a common cover with the VT1100 models except for the VT1100C in the 1992-2007 model years.  I suspect this means that if you were to pick up that particular final drive from ebay, you would need to use the cover from your PC800 final drive.  The others though should be interchangeable on this part.

The part labeled “Collar B, RR.” is the same across all of the VT1100 models but differs on the PC800 model.  Again, I believe that the PC800 collar might need to be kept rather than use the VT1100 model.

The stud bolts that are used to connect the final drive to the shaft drive housing differ between three of the VT1100 final drives and the PC800.  The PC800 however does share the same bolt studs with one of the VT1100 final drives.  I believe this could translate into needing to swap out the shorter studs on three of the VT1100 final drive options for longer studs from your PC800 final drive.

The final puzzling piece is the last two items on the final drive used by the VT1100C2 2005-2007 model years.  They don’t appear on any of the other final drives.  I’m not quite sure what to make of them.  My guess is they won’t make much of a difference.  This is something you should decide for yourself though.

Now you’re asking yourself what does all of this mean?  The table below boils down the differences between the models to what I believe to be the key elements.

41300-MR5-000 — PC800   41300-MEG-020 — VT1100C2 2005-2007   41300-MAH-010 — VT1100C2 1995-2004, VT1100C3 all years, VT1100D2 all years, VT1100T all years   41300-MM8-882 — VT1100C 1992-2007   41300-MM8-000 –VT1100C 1987-1990
QUANTITY PART   QUANTITY PART   QUANTITY PART   QUANTITY PART   QUANTITY PART
41310-MB0-305 GEAR SET, FINAL 41310-MM8-305 GEAR SET, FINAL 41310-MM8-305 GEAR SET, FINAL 41310-MM8-305 GEAR SET, FINAL 41310-MM8-305 GEAR SET, FINAL
41311-MR5-305 CASE SET, FINAL 41311-MEG-010 CASE SET, FINAL 41311-MM8-305 CASE SET, FINAL 41311-MEG-010 CASE SET, FINAL 41311-MM8-305 CASE SET, FINAL
41321-ME5-770 COVER, GEAR CASE 41321-ME5-770 COVER, GEAR CASE 41321-ME5-770 COVER, GEAR CASE 41321-ME5-771 COVER, GEAR CASE 41321-ME5-770 COVER, GEAR CASE
41324-MR5-000 PLATE, DUST GUARD 41324-MAH-000 PLATE, DUST GUARD 41324-MAH-000 PLATE, DUST GUARD 41324-MB0-010 PLATE, DUST GUARD 41324-MB0-010 PLATE, DUST GUARD
42625-MR5-000 COLLAR B, RR. 42625-MAH-000 COLLAR B, RR. 42625-MAH-000 COLLAR B, RR. 42625-MAH-000 COLLAR B, RR. 42625-MAH-000 COLLAR B, RR.
92700-10050-0E BOLT, STUD (10X50) 92900-10032-0E BOLT, STUD (10X32) 92900-10032-0E BOLT, STUD (10X32) 92900-10032-0E BOLT, STUD (10X32) 92700-10050-0E BOLT, STUD (10X50)

Reviewing the archives of the IPCRC, I see that a member reported having to swap in the dust guard and collar from his PC800 to the 2004 VT1100 drive he purchased.  I do not know at this time if it was from a VT1100C or VT1100C2.  Another IPCRCer reported having to use the axle collar from the VT1100 final drive he purchased to make the final drive and tire fit correctly into the PC800 swingarm.  He reported using PN:42620-MN5-000, “collar, RR axle distance”, in my Parts Catalog, p. 86, #6.  A third IPCRCer reported having to swap a plastic ring (the dust guard?) from his PC800 final drive to the VT1100 final drive.  A fourth also reported needing to swap the dust guard.  Although I have read previously about people swapping out their final drives and which parts to replace, I can’t lay my hands upon those messages at this point in time.  As I get more information on this subject, I will update this post accordingly.  The below table is capturing the information as I receive it.

For those doing the swap, Ting has made a good video of one way to swap the final drive unit.

41300-MEG-020 — VT1100C2 2005-2007 41300-MAH-010 — VT1100C2 1995-2004, VT1100C3 all years, VT1100D2 all years, VT1100T all years 41300-MM8-882 — VT1100C 1992-2007 41300-MM8-000 –VT1100C 1987-1990
Person Reporting NO RESPONSES. Please email me or post on the IPCRC to help me fill in the blanks on this chart! “Hungry White Boy“ Ting Dave Hiett
Exact Make/Model of Bike 2004 Shadow Sabre VT1100C2  2004 Shadow Spirit VT1100C  1987 VT1100C
Exact Part(s) Used Only the final drive. No other parts such as the shaft or swingarm are needed.  They are 2-3 inches too short to use on the PC800.  Final drive and plastic dust guard.  The final drive unit was used.
Part(s) Swapped Over from PC800  The dust guard (41324-MR5-000, Part 7 on microfiche) and Spacer Collar (42625-MR5-000, Part 8 on microfiche).  (I assume that Ting swapped over the spacer collar.)  The seal (not sure of part?) and drive shaft from the PC800 were swapped.
Other Notes “We did about 275 miles at 55 to almost 65mph sometimes. With this new final drive I never needed 5th gear. The bike cruised happily in 4th from 4000-4500 rpm. Before I would’ve been stuck right in between 4th and 5th and shifting up and down to there inconsistent pace. When I broke off from the group I picked it up to 75 and 5th gear.” (from this post)  The final drive is a
blessing on the bike. The procedure was really easy. (from this post)Speed /Old Final RPMs /New Final RPMs:
55 / 3600 / 3200
60 / 4000 / 3600
65 / 4200 / 4000
70 / 4600 / 4200
75 / 5000 / 4600
80 / 5200 / 4800Ting paid $100 on ebay for the final drive.		  Photos of the speed vs RPM before and after the conversion are available here.  (if the link does not work, go to the iPCRC and click on the photos link on the left side menu bar.  Search for the “VT1100 Speedo – Tach” album.)
Person Reporting Scott B (via e-mail received Feb 13, 2012)
Exact Make/Model of Bike 2002 Shadow Sabre VT1100C2
Exact Part(s) Used The final drive.
Part(s) Swapped Over from PC800 “All I had to exchange with my PC800 drive was the plastic dust guard.”
Other Notes “The distance collar and four studs were exactly the same length and size as the PC800.”
Person Reporting  Douglas Van Bossuyt
Exact Make/Model of Bike   2004 Shadow Sabre VT1100C2
 Exact Part(s) Used Final drive unit.
 Parts Swapped Over from PC800  The dust ring and spacer collar from the PC800 came over to the VT1100 final drive in order to fit properly on the PC800.
 Other Notes  I like the taller gearing and wish that I could have even taller of gearing than the VT1100 drive provides.

One other note: some VT1100 swingarms were equipped with disk brakes.  At least one IPCRCer tried to swap this in and found some difficulties.

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